if they talk about the tax thing too much in the context of deficit reduction, it doesn't help them because that's not the president's strongest turf. >> i know i ask you all of the great questions because you're a great reporter. it sounds like you're saying that the vice president will not go for the kill. he won't nail them on the 47%, nail them on vouchers, nail him on the emergency rooms. will he do that? >> no. look, i had an adviser tell me -- am i going to hear the number 47 and they wouldn't 100% commit to it but they said i would be shocked if you didn't hear the number 47 tonight and 47. but no, no, no, biden's job is to throw -- as somebody said red meat earlier. it's called blue meat if it's for the blue meat. fine. it is supposed to be blue meat. this is a way of going after -- trying to draw the brighter lines with ryan. also fires up the democratic base. remember, that is an issue here after this first debate, which is a demoralizing feeling. biden's job is to fix that tonight. >> he wants to be a cheerleader for the team, he wants to attack him with blue meat or whatever we